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After Kumoricon

September 9th, 2009 (02:35 pm)

Here we go.

Matt, Nick, Ben, Alexis and I were invited to come to Kumoricon and run our games, as well as Maid RPG. This was a very last minute thing, and we barely had any communication with anyone at  the con prior to showing up on Saturday. Kumoricon is huge, crowded, messy and exhausting. It SEEMS to be much more disorganized then other large shows I’ve been to over the last few years, but there also seems to be a greater willingness among the attendees to just hang out and try whatever was in front of them. We ended up being stationed in a small room for the entire weekend, where we ran 7 or 8 packed games.  We were the only people to use the room for most of the weekend, so traffic was largely limited to people coming in to see what we were doing. There were a lot of neat things that happened:

- The ONLY advertising we had was a single sheet schedule posted to the door of the room we were using. Still, we had to turn away players from every game we ran, and most games were full with 7-9 players (Yeld was lightest at just 6, but that was because we put a cap on it early).

- People wanted to play our games. As Ben said over at his blog, we didn’t experience the normal reaction we get at game cons where people get weirded out by what our games are. Instead, people were ready to sit down and play our games without any kind of reassurances or convincing! Panty Explosion, Maid and Bliss Stage were all big hits BECAUSE of their sexiness, implied weirdness and appeal to a niche market, not despite of these things!

- Most of the people who played with us signed on for multiple games, and a few hung out for almost every game we ran. We had to sneak out of the hotel on Sunday night to avoid running even more games!

- Unfortunately we didn’t have any books to sell, but if we had we could have sold quite a bit. After every single game we ran players were asking to buy our books, often with cash in hand. We all came away feeling like we could have sold 5-10 copies of anything we ran just at the table. The dealers room was as packed as any I’ve ever seen, and the attendees seemed willing to buy anything. Next year I’ll plan to have a table, and expect to sell 20 copies of any game I care to bring. As a sales venue for MY games, I feel like Kumoricon trumps any con I’ve ever been to, including Gencon.

- The number of missed opportunities were staggering. We were invited to the show pretty late, but if we had been on board earlier we would have been able to organize many more games and a dealers booth. I feel like that would have just been the beginning of what we could do. Next year I’d like to host a panel, sponsor a contest, participate in the art show and the creative studio and take a whole lot more pictures.

- I think there are two notable differences between the attendees of Kumoricon and the game and comic cons I’ve been to, and that’s enthusiasm and age. Every single person I talked to at the show, whether painfully shy or aggressively friendly, was super excited to be there and very enthusiastic about trying… anything. The average age of attendees seemed to be much, much lower then most game and comic cons. Closer to 18.

- The main thing I walked away from ( and I think Nick, Matt, Ben and Alexis all agree) was a certainty that we had found our target audience, and that they were as enthusiastic and eager as we had always suspected they would be. I’ll be seriously reconsidering my interest in traditional gaming cons as a sales and promotion venue in the future.

So we’ll be going back next year, bigger and better.

Jake

Comments

Posted by: nick smith ([info]stumptownbandit)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 10:00 pm (UTC)

I totally agree! i had a wonderful time and am excited for next years kumoricon!

Posted by: Guy ([info]tundra_no_caps)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 10:23 pm (UTC)

Matt? Which one?

How many people were at the con?

What sort of contest would you host?

And I wish anime cons here had an average age of close to 18, we're closer to 15.5 or so. And I avoid these cons because they make me feel old, and not in the chronological sense. And I hate that feeling.

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 11:06 pm (UTC)

Matt Schlotte, who co-wrote Panty Explosion and Classroom Deathmatch.

I'm really not sure how many people were there. The expected attendance was around 2500, but everyone seems to think it was much more then that.

I think we could host a uniform design contest. I've been wanting a school uniform design that we could use in all our games and promo material.

I totally didn't feel out of place as one of the older people at the con. But then again I'm used to hanging out with teenagers.

Posted by: Guy ([info]tundra_no_caps)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 11:11 pm (UTC)

I don't have a real problem with teenagers.

I might make a post on "The geek scene" in Israel. I know Andy asked me to, need to remember.

But, well, let's just say that they often ruin my fun, the people we get in sci-fi/fantasy conventions who are self-declared anime fans.
To summarize, they have no consideration for other con-goers. And I can get enthusiasm, but at some point it tires me, especially when the enthusiasm is not "I will talk to you thoughtfully about anime, manga, etc.", which I sometimes do with "youngsters" at one of Israel's two comic stores (and did so two weeks ago, actually), but, "I will squeal a lot, and shout, "OMG! Look! [Series Name toy]!", and then squeal at another toy..."

That alone is not the inconsiderate of other con-goers, but shouting in communal areas and congregating on the stairs, and sometimes harassing con-goers, but to be honest, the harassment I've seen was a one time thing, where con goers were asked to draw a sheep (The Little Prince), and were harangued till they agreed, between the two buildings of the con. And I wish I were making this up.

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 11:22 pm (UTC)

There was a lot of that kind of stuff. the squealing, yelling, dancing, hanging out in the halls, tag, humping and other teenage stuff. I think it would have bothered me a lot more if I had just been there for the con, and not there working. because I was working, I was able to escape to a room that was relatively quite, and where I was the authority. So that helped.

Posted by: Guy ([info]tundra_no_caps)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
Me

Authority? You adult sell-out!

There's no humping here. I didn't go to the anime cons, but judging from pictures, and what we get at the general sci-fi/fantasy cons, it's about 80% girls, and most of the boys are pre-adolescent, like 10-12.

And yes, that often means that "Anime fans"="Yaoi fans". Sure, they watch other things, but since there's such a number of them, most conversations that don't revolve around how they want Item X they can't afford, and whether to skip food to buy it, or yaoi, which is a bit disheartening to someone who wants to discuss something that isn't yaoi/fan-fiction.
I once heard some people talk about Naruto fan-fiction/RPG, and had to at length, explain to them all the places their stuff was not only not-canon, but directly opposed to canon.
I wouldn't have been bothered if they were willing to admit from the get-go that it's anti-canon, rather than try to weasel out how it IS canon.
They didn't stand a chance ;)

I also think that talking serious anime (either serious talk, serious anime, or both) is more likely when there are fewer people around, and some more quiet.

Then again, some elitism about innovation nearly had me do a double-take at an anime fan that seemed 30 or so at the store a couple weeks ago... when I said that Code Geass's opening episodes were great, and he retorted with, "I see you didn't watch much anime, eh?," I asked him why he thought so, and he came up with, "Well, it's not original, so if you think it's new you obviously didn't watch many series."

I replied to him about how most stories were done numerous times, and thus it's not the innovation that made it masterful, but the execution.
Trying to up-geek me... the temerity! ;)

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 11:38 pm (UTC)

I think the male/female split at Kumoricon was pretty even. There was a lot of yaoi fans, but I knew that going in. And honestly, I was pretty fine with that. I feel like yaoi fans are maybe more likely to try my games then shonen fans.

Every conversation I had was in the safety and relative quiet of the small rpg room. I talked about Final Fantasy Tactics and Monster Hunter with several people, general role playing with a few more, and Ouran High School Host Club with a bunch.

Posted by: Guy ([info]tundra_no_caps)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 01:20 am (UTC)

I wish more bishoujo was stuff like Nana and Fruits Basket, and more Shonen was "big bro" or stuff like that.

Why so much yaoi and determinators? More variance, at least, in the mind-scape :)

Posted by: IcyRavens ([info]katlyn)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 10:52 pm (UTC)
glasses

This sounds pretty close to what Andy had described as his experiences at other anime cons (other then, you know, he had books to sell and he sold out of every copy.)

1. I'm happy to see you guys tap into this niche market and get more of your games sold

AND

2. I'd love to see some of these painfully shy/aggressively friendly anime nerds get a taste for tabletop RPGs, if they haven't already. How many, percentage wise of players that were at your tables, would you say had never played an RPG before?


Glad to know that it went well for you!

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 9th, 2009 11:08 pm (UTC)

Out of the maybe 45 people we played with this weekend, maybe 10 of them had never played any kind of rpg at all, and fully half of them had very minimal rpg experience. We heard a lot of "I've played in my boyfriends Gurps game once or twice". The rest seemed to be casual players of mainstream games.

Posted by: Neko Ewen ([info]nekoewen)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 01:08 am (UTC)

That is really, really cool, and I'm seriously thinking of making more of an effort to run games at local (and when I attend them, not-so-local) anime cons, especially since I can very easily get to some of the bigger ones in California.

Also, I need to get you on a podcast to discuss this stuff some time. :3

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 01:18 am (UTC)

You should. And yes, you should have me on to talk about this stuff. I'm sorry I didn't follow up on your invitation earlier this year. We have a lot to talk about.

Posted by: zigguratbuilder ([info]zigguratbuilder)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 01:30 am (UTC)

Hey, just curious: How long were your game slots? 2 hours? 3?

-Andy

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 01:35 am (UTC)

3 hours.

Posted by: Ben Lehman ([info]benlehman)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 04:24 am (UTC)

Two hours for Maid.

Maid takes about 1 hour to set up and I can't run it for more than an hour before absolutely collapsing, fictionally and personally.

yrs--
--Ben

Posted by: zigguratbuilder ([info]zigguratbuilder)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 04:44 am (UTC)

Yep, totally understand. I'm the same way with that game. It's high octane that balls you up and spits you out. That's why I was pushing for folks to feel free to just run like one game. More than that, and it balls you up and spits you out.

-Andy

Posted by: Ben Lehman ([info]benlehman)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 04:19 pm (UTC)

Indeed.

The fiction in Maid follows the same arc as the Urusei Yatsura TV show. Basically, things get escalating weird until they can't possibly get weirder, then the show ends.

Certainly the game gets too weird for me to handle after about an hour.

Posted by: l_the_fangirl ([info]l_the_fangirl)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 01:52 am (UTC)
Bliss Stage

All of the non-gaming anime fans who I've introduced Bliss Stage to grokked it immediately; I'm glad to hear of your experience at the con going so well, and, well, I'm not surprised but I am happy!

Posted by: yurodivuie ([info]yurodivuie)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 03:25 am (UTC)

That sounds really awesome. I'm glad that you guys had fun there!

It's especially cool that you were able to meet new gamers. That must have been a lot of fun. It's making me wonder if I should bite the bullet and go to Sakuracon some year... a decision probably slightly influenced by watching K-on right.... now.

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 03:33 am (UTC)

Nick, matt and I are planning on going to Sakuracon in... April(?) and doing the same thing we did at Kumoricon. You should join us.

Posted by: yurodivuie ([info]yurodivuie)
Posted at: September 13th, 2009 05:58 am (UTC)

Possible! I'll get back to studying my conversational Japanese tapes in preparation.

Posted by: Ben Lehman ([info]benlehman)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 04:24 am (UTC)

David! Come with us to SakuraCon!

yrs--
--Ben

Posted by: yurodivuie ([info]yurodivuie)
Posted at: September 13th, 2009 05:56 am (UTC)

It's a thing. Now I just need to watch a few seasons of Naruto or whatever the kids are into these days, and I'll be set.

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 13th, 2009 09:02 am (UTC)

Sure. And you have to dress like a bleach or some kind of final fantasy. It will be fun.

Posted by: The Sniper in Drag ([info]phasmaphobic)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 11:09 pm (UTC)

Damn awesome, man. That's pretty fabulous. So I'm curious to know how you think a game like Cannibal Contagion would fare?

Posted by: jake_richmond ([info]jake_richmond)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 11:13 pm (UTC)

Well. Thats part of what i want to talk to you about on Tuesday.

Posted by: The Sniper in Drag ([info]phasmaphobic)
Posted at: September 10th, 2009 11:16 pm (UTC)

nice! Well I'll wait until then. I've had some ideas lately to try and direct the game more towards the manga/comic crowds, after an unexpectedly interesting discussion I had with my artists, but now that you make this report, this looks more viable than I had mused. I look forward to Tuesday, definitely.

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